I certainly get the idea the extra mass (inertial effect) when trying to accelerate the engine but other than friction or hydraulic losses it seems there should be minimal power loss and said power which is lost would manifest in heat. I myself would have doubted a (live) winch drive train could rob so much power. I stick it on and exercise it every few months as the brake cylinder type controls go bad and don't work if not exercised occasionally. I disconnect the drive shaft to the winch on my 666D Ranger grapple skidder as the power turning the Model 20 on it is very noticeable behind the 453 Detroit. Your model 19 has good power and will drag your 450 all over the woods though when stuck. The predecessor Model 9 and the later Model 20 were both excellent winches which free spooled easily. You will certainly be the man to beat at the arm wrestling contest if you use it regularly. In the morning you had to normally hook them to a tree and pull them out with the machine a few times before you could even pull them by hand. By the way the Model 19 was of the most cankerous logging winches every built. It's especially noticeable when accelerating like running up an extra heavy flywheel. It takes a fair bit of horsepower to turn it. When your PTO is turning the bevel gears, the clutch system, and everything in your Gearmatic Model 19 is turning except for the drum. I couldn't imagine it causing that kind of power loss due to a ''little extra dead weight ''.Īny input is valued as i just spent a pretty, shinny little penny on this complete winch set up. '' '' adding a model 19 winch to a case 450 dozer causes a power loss of up to 15-20% horsepower due to it being a constant running pto '' '' I red a few things on them afterwards and came across a statement that a man posted and said- quote below It comes with the winch, adapter/bracket and controls with lines. I just bought a Gearmatic 19 winch for it online this evening. She does seem to have a tiny bit of blowby, but i am going to do an inframe and head job on her within the next month just for a peace of mind. She has been very well taken care of and maintained with records/invoices to show. Everything works on this dozer and it is solid as a rock and has a 70% undercarriage under her. All she needs is a little paint and a couple pins. So what is the value on a machine in this shape running?So i bought a new little Case 450B dozer, 6 way blade in Pretty good shape, low hours. A small section of track is missing off of the starboard track. Don't know how hard it would be to make it 6-way again. It used to have a 6-way blade, but the hydraulic lines and tilt cylinder are gone. No hour gauge, so I have no idea how many hours are on it. I took a bunch of pictures of it so if someone with a trained eye wants to see a different angle I can email them the pic or pics. It also comes with a winch that is not attached. He did say that the idlers are worn but he has new ones to go with the dozer. Its pretty beat up but the undercarrage looks decent to my untrained eyes and he says it runs strong. The owner recently died and the son is selling it for more than I think its worth ($9k). I would really like to purchase it for around the property instead of constantly sinking money into having someone come out and do the work for me. There is a 1972 Case 450 dozer for sale about 10 miles from my farm in WV. First time posting, but if I get this thing I'll probably be on here a lot.
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